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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Saturday, 08.11.2014, 20:10 | Message # 736 |
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| HOTAS just means Hands On Throttle and Stick. There is nothing special about something that calls itself a HOTAS setup compared to any other joystick. It's a description and a selling point, not a distinct category of peripheral input devices. The fundamental principles of operation are the same as any other joystick: it has axes and buttons. So yes, it will be supported.
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| Idgelios | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 01:37 | Message # 737 |
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| A few questions about the lava planets, that may or may not have already been asked:
-Is there cold or forzen lava planets that are akin to Io that will be procedural generated?
-Is there any probability of any extreme forms of life appearing on lava worlds?
-Will this mean cataloged exoplanets currently treated as scorched deserts like Kepler 78b or Alpha Centuari Bb be changed to lava worlds?
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 04:06 | Message # 738 |
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| Quote Idgelios (  ) Is there cold or forzen lava planets that are akin to Io that will be procedural generated?
Io is hardly a lava planet. If you mean will there be cold planets with volcanoes, then yes.
Quote Idgelios ( ) Is there any probability of any extreme forms of life appearing on lava worlds?
He has not mentioned any change to the life generation system. But is there any reason why there should be? What kinds of chemical processes which we might call life would even be possible at such extreme temperatures?
Quote Idgelios ( ) Will this mean cataloged exoplanets currently treated as scorched deserts like Kepler 78b or Alpha Centuari Bb be changed to lava worlds?
As with all things in the engine, all worlds are treated equally. If the engine calculates that the planet should have a surface hot enough to glow, then it will.
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| Idgelios | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 06:29 | Message # 739 |
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I see. Nice to hear, has spacenegineer shown any examples of a procedural generated planet with Io-like characteristics? I like there's ice worlds that resemble Callisto or Europa that get generated.
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Maybe sillicon based life? I'm surprised space engine has no silicon life, maybe they'll show up in a later release. However lava worlds seem like a good area for them to me which is why I wondered if spacenegineer wanted to have lava world dwelling life appear from time to time. While I know that silicon chemistry-wise is very, very unlikely to make life the engine so far's shown to be rather optimistic about the existence of life floating about in the atmospheres of gas giants, of which I thought would be exceptionally rare in the universe yet I go to epsilion Indi and find a star system full of jovian worlds that all happen to have floaters.
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In that case it sounds likely that the worlds I mentioned should be turned into lava worlds by the generator since worlds like Alpha Centuari Bb orbit in 4 days and have temperatures that make venus look like a tundra.
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| Watsisname | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 06:58 | Message # 740 |
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| Silicon-based life is popular in science fiction, but makes almost no sense chemically. Silicon has nowhere near the same level of diversity in forming bonds and structures as carbon does.
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| second-ich | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 09:05 | Message # 741 |
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| I have just wondered why does the sun in the movie and in the picture have no sunspots?
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| Betelgeuze | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 09:45 | Message # 742 |
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| I think real sun brightness is on on movie and picture when you bright on will no see solar spots
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| Idgelios | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 14:50 | Message # 743 |
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I thought that changes when on a planet with extremely high temperatures like a lava planet.
I need to learn some chemistry if this is not so!
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| Betelgeuze | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 15:27 | Message # 744 |
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| Will be new planet class "Lavatic" for lava planets?
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| matyno13 | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 16:33 | Message # 745 |
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| Quote Watsisname ( ) Silicon-based life is popular in science fiction, but makes almost no sense chemically. Silicon has nowhere near the same level of diversity in forming bonds and structures as carbon does.
Why not Sulphur-based life?
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| QuietlyConident | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 17:24 | Message # 746 |
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| matyno13, sulpher based life is even less likely than silicon based life
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| Watsisname | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 20:30 | Message # 747 |
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| Idgelios, the idea of warm silicon biochemistry is very old, going back about a hundred years to when silicon based life was originally proposed. It does not stand up well to modern scrutiny. Indeed, higher temperature is less friendly to silicon life, because then it is the reactions with blatantly inorganic products that become more favorable. A particularly troublesome example of this is oxidation -- there is a reason we do not observe silicon analogues for simple organic molecules in meteorites or protoplanetary disks.
You're actually better off considering silicon biochemistry in low temperature, anoxic environments, because there it has more reactivity and variety compared to carbon, and we avoid the nasty oxygen affinity. It also requires a suitable solvent, such as methane.
If you want to learn about this I'd suggest reading up not on the chemistry, but the biochemistry, and astrobiology. There are plenty of recent articles available on the web. I'd also recommend Astrobiology: An Interdisciplinary Approach by Lunine -- one of the best texts in the field if you can find a copy.
BTW, further discussion on this topic ought to go in the Life in the Universe thread.
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| Inarius | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 21:46 | Message # 748 |
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| The idea of 'it's unrealistic so let's not do it" is biased, considered that you can find exotic life flying in gaz supergiant.
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 21:59 | Message # 749 |
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| Life in the upper atmosphere of a gas giant, while unlikely, is permitted by known laws of chemistry. But what life-bearing chemistry would be active at over 1000 °C? SE is supposed to represent the universe as it really exists, to the greatest degree possible according to current scientific knowledge. "It's unrealistic so let's not do it" is a perfect reason to not do something.
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| FaceDeer | Date: Sunday, 09.11.2014, 22:47 | Message # 750 |
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| In fairness, there are some non-chemistry-related reasons why "floaters" are kind of implausible. I for one turned the probability of gas giant life waaaay down near zero in my copy of Space Engine, and imagine that those few times I still encounter it are the result of highly unusual chains of events.
Perhaps that would be best for some of these other hypothetical forms of life too, give them separate probability ratings in the configs so they can be tweaked. There's very little solid basis for setting these probabilities to specific numbers anyway, IMO.
As a final note before this sub-discussion gets declared completely off topic (which it kinda is), this Wikipedia article is a good source for considering alternative biochemistries from a realistic perspective - many of the ones listed have good citations. Personally, I'm hoping to see machine life eventually show up in Space Engine. 
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