It is definitely not propaganda. It's advertising.

States, governments and ideologues make propaganda; business people advertise.

There are people who rather give trillions of dollars for wars, as a few billion for the survival of mankind really necessary things.

Musk would just so much as squeak about his government cutting on war spendings for his favour, he would be catapulted out oh his business with little remorse.

It is definitely not propaganda. It's advertising.

I know that in Russia the government sometimes removes business leaders who speak out against it

It's a progression towards what everyone thought spaceflight should be like.

It's exciting to see SpaceX keeping at the forefront of development.

Privatization is hands down the best thing that will ever happen to the spaceflight industry.

CST on the other hand shouldn't progress any further. It is expensive, lacks innovation, and offers almost nothing that Dragon doesn't

if anyone can get humanity to Mars in the next 2 decades it is most definitely him

I love how personable and enthusiastic he is.

Agreed. He's really great.

But the triunph of the grasshopper or the dragon is because of science, not because of private companies trying to archive benefits in rought market terrains.

It is difficoult to see this when you are submerged in it all days of your life. Is just normal.

the russian government has done that with brutal oligarchs that breaked the law, empoverished the country by pillage and had links to the russian mafia

Space X could not exist if the americans money didn't financed NASA and the formation of their engineers and physicists.

And we have to understad that Space X objectives are not the good for all humanity but gaining profits with a business (if this wasn't the main goal then Space X would be crushed in the market).

There is no scientific reason or mechanism to explain why the gain of profits for the company should equate with social benefits for mankind.

Space X as a private company, for example, would never invest in basic research because it has no inmediate or predictable impact in the gains of the company (the only reason by wich a private company by it's own means could do that without collapsing, is by assuming an incredible risk and danger and relying in the inertia of an initial charitable investment). But basic research is directly benefitial to the public and even private companies benefit indirectly because of the existence of a basic research

How you don't see the propaganda in this? I can even see the cult of personality that distorts the reality of the market dynamics (as was done with the figure of Steve Jobs for example). I don't see any insight analysis here.

first mission to collect samples and return to earth from the moon

the firs docking

mean that a bolshevick statist ideology is "the best thing that has happened to spaceflight" because they where accomplished by the Soviet Union?

And we have to understad that Space X objectives are not the good for all humanity but gaining profits with a business (if this wasn't the main goal then Space X would be crushed in the market).

Space X also profited of public services degradation in USA. NASA funds had been decreasing with the consequent lost of many jobs because in the american economic doctrine the public spending has not to be invested in public healthcare, research, public transport and social aids. Space X staff is full of ex-NASA employees because of this mentality. Space X could not exist if the americans money didn't financed NASA and the formation of their engineers and physicists. The products of that investment done by society as a whole are been transfered to private hands in the case of Space X. This is also legal. But legit?

You should know also that Elon Musk first steps in building his company involved preciselly taking advantage form this pillage situation that the Russian market had. He travelled to Russia to buy very cheap stolen ICBMs

You sound like one of those people who gets upset because the SpaceX employees chant "USA USA USA" when they have a success. The fact of the matter, regardless of what you seem to believe, the achievements are because of a private company and because of the economic circumstances available in the US. Elon has a vision, he has goals, and he has used his own hard earned education and money to try and achieve that. You can try all you like and claim it is an achievement because of mankind or science or whatever else but the fact of the matter is these achievements are because of a private company.

I don't know the culture where you are from but here the term propaganda has a very negative connotation to it

In some cases, perhaps, but in other cases the motivations were obviously political and evidence of criminal activity on the part of the oligarchs was flimsy to nonexistent (I'm primarily referring to Mikhail Khodorkovsky here since his case is the one I'm most familiar with).

A fact which SpaceX has stated publicly numerous times.

The main motivation of a business does NOT have to be profit, that simply must be an outcome of the business.

This was actually an American achievement (Apollo 11).

So was this (Gemini 8).

But some of the things SpaceX and other aerospace companies are doing are achievable only by private enterprise. It's not the technology itself, it's the efficiency, the rate of development and low cost, and breadth of utilization. Those things rarely or never come from government. Governments are good at pioneering, but industry is best at refining technologies and techniques and exploiting them for practical use. Your comments seem to imply that government deserves credit for everything, and that industry does not contribute to anything but its own profits. This is quite obviously false if you look at history.

The original meaning does not have any positive or negative subtext in it, it is just a difference in the language - somehow, "propaganda" is always about "them" and simple truth is always about "us".

If I would tell you, you would probably never believe how many deaths, corruption and simple grief surround this story

In the same manner people love to empathise this is all Elon's personal achievement and no one else's. I have no idea how people can cram both of these concepts in one head. It is either joint, or personal, but never both at the same time.

SpaceX motivations are based entirely on perspectives of future profit

Not creating other companies, nor it is about assisting other companies, it's mainly about SpaceX, bulldozering through national space programs to make a way to their ambitions.

There are so many manipulations surrounding these, I wouldn't really reason about it.

By American definitions, first human in space was Shepard

The purpose of propaganda is not to inform, but to manipulate.

It's simple: SpaceX and Elon Musk say, and have ALWAYS said, that NASA has been extremely helpful to them.

Only ignorant SpaceX fans would say that Elon has done it all by himself. If you are trying to judge the truth about a company from what their most ignorant fans say, then you have very poor reasoning skills.

No, you're wrong, as I've already explained. SpaceX is a very ideologically motivated company, their motivation is to achieve their ideological goals, they use profit only as a tool to achieve that objective.

They are synergistic with each other, not competitive.

What manipulations? These are simple facts. If two spacecraft docked in orbit before Gemini 8, or if a spacecraft returned samples to Earth before Apollo 11, tell me about them.

Come year 2016, there's only one space station, and there's only one ship that can deliver people there. Private companies are trapped in a circle of competition, accusations and lawsuits, even sanctions and politics come into play. Programs are battling over the last bits of space budget.
We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
And the machine is bleeding to death

original definitions do not contain anything resembling the word "manipulate"

So far primary ideology of SpaceX seems to be annoying everybody with ridiculous statements.

I see them a lot. They are everywhere.

They would be really "synergistic" if Musk would attract investments independently of NASA, but unfortunately it is not the case.

He meant that first automated retrieval of soil sample was performed by USSR - Luna 16(USA used human spaceflight). He also means that first docking using sealed docking port (USA just secured two ships in place). These are simple facts as well.

And I would really address the problem I've mentioned before. The problem you seem to ignore completely. Private companies have already failed us once in space exploration

This sounds like a blurb for a political thriller novel.

So... you're saying the dictionary is wrong about the definition of a word?

...such as? You keep making assertions, and repeatedly fail to back them up with examples.

Yes they are, but what does it matter? What ignorant people say about a company has nothing to do with the truth about that company.

The majority of their money comes from commercial contracts, not government contracts.

That's not what he said. You're manipulating his words to make them fit the facts. He did NOT say "sealed docking", nor did he say "automated sample return".

1) You didn't explain any details at all, you simply made some vague statements about the 1990s, and I know a lot about spaceflight history, and what happened in the 1990s was not similar to what's happening now.

2) Even if you were right about what happened before, just because something happened once does not mean it will happen again.

I mean, you are probably not very good at reading dictionaries.

Such as this.

Yeah, for reasonable, educated persons this may not be a serious problem. But there's one problem with them - they don't have any power over decision making. A reasonable person would ask a number of questions to the SpaceX plans and then face a shower of counter arguments and verbal abuse rather than get his demands answered.

Still don't see how that meant to be a cooperation since there are no increase in funding of NASA or no complex programs in development. Musk and his followers repeatedly state that they will make it to the Mars independently of NASA or any other space agency.

The circumstances do indicate that the prime mode of thinking of modern capitalism is a vague idea that if you pile up a lot of money, advertising and ambitious plans in one place, you will somehow receive a ready project in a matter of month, rarely years.

It did not work last time, why would it work again?

So far primary ideology of SpaceX seems to be annoying everybody with ridiculous statements.

They would be really "synergistic" if Musk would attract investments independently of NASA, but unfortunately it is not the case.

In the same manner people love to empathise this is all Elon's personal achievement and no one else's. I have no idea how people can cram both of these concepts in one head. It is either joint, or personal, but never both at the same time.

ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.

chiefly derogatory
Information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view