Correct. And a point of interest here, the fall of classical civilization was due primarily to Christianity. A one thousand year setback to civilization, courtesy of religion.

This religious intolerance, bigotry, and lust for power over others is what is holding us back, not the actual religion.

http://dolan.naurunappula.com/screen....254.jpg Enough said. biggrin

Wasn't there supposed to be FEMA camps and martial law by 2005?

Correct. And a point of interest here, the fall of classical civilization was due primarily to Christianity. A one thousand year setback to civilization, courtesy of religion.

http://dolan.naurunappula.com/screen....254.jpg Enough said

I hear this a lot from people and I don't understand why. Care to explain?

For a "singularity" you need a bit more than just super smart machines.

Well we don't have AI yet and humans already have the means, if they put their minds to it, to prevent the collapse of human society.

Kinda relevant.

I wouldn't go that far. It's unrealistic to directly compare pretty much anyone to Hitler. Very few people can be said to have attempted and done things that were similar to what he did.

Well it basically boils down to wanting to conform to a certain image of the future, and fear of the unknown. There's no telling in what way AI could affect humanity and our civilization. It could be the greatest thing ever to happen, but it could also - directly or indirectly - lead to our demise or worse. Machines certainly have the potential for doing great good, but it would be naive to think that a good outcome is inevitable.

For all we know, it could be entirely peaceful and help us develop, or see us as nothing more than animals and harvest us.

The Matrix: Machines subjugate humanity

Civil War: Conservative anti-technologists (largely religious probably) will fight to eliminate influential high technology like AI, and progressive pro-technologists and possibly also machines are forced to fight for technology's survival and growth.

And my long-time fantasy vision of the future has people not being fundamentally much more dependent on technology than they are now.

What else is needed?

Yes, but if we did that then we wouldn't need the AI to do it, would we. And are enough humans really capable of putting their minds to it for that capability to mean anything?

Civil War: Conservative anti-technologists (largely religious probably) will fight to eliminate influential high technology like AI, and progressive pro-technologists and possibly also machines are forced to fight for technology's survival and growth.

Utopia: Everything will be peaceful and prosperous and great.

Terminator: Machines try to exterminate humanity

The Matrix: Machines subjugate humanity

since war costs resources and gives very little back

I don't see it much as relying on the technology but more making it part of us thus making it no longer truly technology but part of our biology.

This will NEVER happen as a utopia is a stagnant society.

That's what I meant by dependent in a fundamental way.

I use the term utopia loosely here to describe a perfect arrangement, not one that is necessarily static in all its elements.

i guess you could say that by todays standards a post singularity society would be a Utopia.

What is wrong with expanding upon these senses and incorporating them into our biology? Your life expectancy would increase, your quality of life would increase, and I can't see it being much of a detriment.

I have cultivated in my head in the past did not include them