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| spacer | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 16:09 | Message # 601 |
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| ppl always love to think about conspiracies! who knows! 
"we began as wanderers, and we are wanderers still"
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Edited by spacer - Thursday, 01.09.2016, 16:39 |
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| Hornblower | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 20:28 | Message # 602 |
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| Here's some speculation for you:
The SpaceX rocket was deliberately demolished on the launchpad to create jobs for Americans. These jobs would be repairing the launch pad and building the replacement payload.
That, or it's those darn lizard people who live on the moon again. I've heard they recently moved to HD 164595.
Edited by Hornblower - Thursday, 01.09.2016, 20:34 |
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 20:35 | Message # 603 |
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| I don't like how people make up jokes about theories which May make sense.
Edited by steeljaw354 - Thursday, 01.09.2016, 20:35 |
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| spacer | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 20:45 | Message # 604 |
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| steeljaw354, ohh it probably was problem in the launch pad or oxygen tanks
i know.
"we began as wanderers, and we are wanderers still"
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 20:53 | Message # 605 |
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| If you want to make an argument against a certain theory, you must study that theory you are against in depth instead of doing no research at all. Also show proof of your research when you present arguments against a certain theory.
Edited by steeljaw354 - Thursday, 01.09.2016, 21:05 |
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| n0b0dy | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 21:10 | Message # 606 |
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| I don't know - I am puzzled: In 2003, Columbia was destroyed during re-entry. An Israeli astronaut was on board that mission. Now a rocket carrying an Israeli payload exploded on the pad... Most likely a bad coincidence but still...
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| spacer | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 21:22 | Message # 607 |
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| Quote steeljaw354 (  ) you must study that theory you are against
conspiracies theories are not always disprove others theory.
its theories about some mysterious case we dont know the cause for it and we think about ideas of what happend
that is not the normal way we may thing it is. like kennedy assassination. i wont disprove it wasnt just a shooter. but i will also think about other "unormal" ideas like aliens, bullet change diraction in mid air, the mafia. etc.
that you cant also disporve them
"we began as wanderers, and we are wanderers still"
-carl sagan
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Edited by spacer - Thursday, 01.09.2016, 21:23 |
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 21:34 | Message # 608 |
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| Theres just so much of them, at least a few of them have to be right.
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| Watsisname | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 22:30 | Message # 609 |
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| Across different cultures there are many creation stories about how the cosmos, Earth and humans were made. Having a big number of ideas doesn't automatically mean any of them have to be right.  The way to know if something is right is by testing it carefully, if it can be tested.
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Thursday, 01.09.2016, 22:56 | Message # 610 |
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| Creation stories and such are besides the point, they are not conspiracy theories which isn't the topic of the thread anyways. Solipsism is the way I go on that sort of stuff. The way to know if something is right is by testing it carefully Yourself
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| Watsisname | Date: Friday, 02.09.2016, 01:09 | Message # 611 |
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| It is not besides the point, it is the point. This is a logic check. If having a large number of creation myths does not guarantee at least one of them is right, then why does having a large number of conspiracy theories guarantee at least one of them is right?
This isn't like blindly shooting arrows at a target, saying that if you shoot enough arrows you expect to eventually score a hit. This is like blindly shooting arrows without being sure that the target is even there. You can't know that it is there or whether you hit or missed unless you check. That is the power of hypothesis testing in the scientific method: we fire some arrows and check if they hit, and make adjustments as necessary.
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| Watsisname | Date: Friday, 02.09.2016, 03:04 | Message # 612 |
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| Quote steeljaw354 ( ) We can't actually observe evolution
Actually, we can directly observe all processes involved in evolution, including speciation.
The existence of fossils by themselves only reveals that there were living things that died. The combination of the fossil record with geology is what reveals that evolution has taken place over Earth history. And we can trace that evolution back with genetics as well.
I agree in believing the self exists, but why stop there? Sure, I can't prove anything exists outside my own mind, but such a world view is neither productive or interesting. It's philosophy, not science. It doesn't lend to teaching me new things about how the world works. Science is not about determining what is 'real', it's about studying how different things we observe interact or relate with one another, because then we can make predictions about it and see if those predictions work.
This is why creationism isn't useful. It doesn't predict anything we can test. By the same token, conspiracy theories must be testable to be of any use. Without testing them, you can't know if they are right or wrong. If they're not testable at all, then they're worse than wrong. Having a large number of them tells you nothing of their probability of being correct. They could each and all be wrong, how would you know otherwise without demonstrating that at least one is right?
If I were to ask you to calculate the number of conspiracy theories necessary to guarantee at least one of them is correct, how would you do it? Spoiler: you can't. Such a calculation would be meaningless, because the logic itself is wrong. There's no strength through numbers here. There is only strength through hypothesis testing. How do I know if any arrows hit the target if I don't check?
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| spacer | Date: Friday, 02.09.2016, 03:38 | Message # 613 |
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| Quote steeljaw354 ( ) We can't actually observe evolution
cool story about that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
"we began as wanderers, and we are wanderers still"
-carl sagan
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| Hornblower | Date: Friday, 02.09.2016, 03:42 | Message # 614 |
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| Honestly, I think the term "evolution" sounds too controversial. I prefer natural selection. I don't think there is any proof against natural selection
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| Alek | Date: Friday, 02.09.2016, 03:56 | Message # 615 |
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| Quote spacer ( ) spacex rocket exploded today with israeli Satellite on it 2 days before launch.
spacex officials says the blast was cause by anomaly!
let the spoculation begins!! is that was intention to harm spacex? the satellite? inside job?
maybe the satellite was a trap?
(no hate to anyone)
It was obviously mishap with the Men in Black, I mean they did have a bit of an experience with an Apollo mission almost being stopped (think it was 11, in fact)...A failed mission maybe?
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