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| midtskogen | Date: Sunday, 25.08.2013, 07:33 | Message # 1606 |
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| Quote (HarbingerDawn) then I saw the TLD in the URL...
.su was created just before the Soviet Union was dissolved, but websites didn't really appear around the world until 1992, after the dissolution. The web took off in 1993. So while the screen looks like something from the 80's, it isn't. 
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Sunday, 25.08.2013, 08:39 | Message # 1607 |
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| Quote (midtskogen) So while the screen looks like something from the 80's, it isn't.
I know, this image was taken in 2009. It's just interesting to see and think about.
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| midtskogen | Date: Sunday, 25.08.2013, 09:36 | Message # 1608 |
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| Quote (HarbingerDawn) It's just interesting to see and think about.
Depends. I remember the .su domain, and thought it odd when .ru domains began appearing. Both were somewhat exotic, though. Just like cars in Norway with Russian plates began appearing 10-15 years ago. Now they're quite common, though.
I found the Basic program more interesting to see and think about. I wrote programs in Basic 30 years ago.
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| werdnaforever | Date: Monday, 26.08.2013, 01:46 | Message # 1609 |
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| It's all Russian Greek to me.
EDIT: Some time in the future, we are going to run out of two letter TLDs for countries. On this day, panic will erupt as the atmosphere sets on fire and... I don't know. All I know is that something really bad will happen. Think of the creepiest, craziest, scariest thing you've ever thought of or heard. That is what will happen.
EDIT 2: On a serious note, if we were creating a new internet, what would be another way of assigning names to websites without the hassles of the domain name system? I'm talking more about what you type in to get to a specific webpage and less about the coding behind it. Clearly, using TLDs to organize websites by subject hasn't worked out the way it was intended to.
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| Aerospacefag | Date: Monday, 26.08.2013, 17:02 | Message # 1610 |
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| I have here on my shelf this little trophy from my university "archives"(of different sorts of rubbish they forgot to get rid of). A little 130-page book(made of shitty paper with simple staples) with tables, letters an terms, somehow completely unknown in our "information age".
It is called "Contract for Complex Information Service in 1992 y." Moscow, 1991, Ministry of energetics and electrification of USSR, Center of scientific-technical information of energetics and electrification INFORMENERGO, customer's copy.
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| midtskogen | Date: Monday, 26.08.2013, 21:37 | Message # 1611 |
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| Quote (Aerospacefag) On a serious note, if we were creating a new internet, what would be another way of assigning names to websites without the hassles of the domain name system? I'm talking more about what you type in to get to a specific webpage and less about the coding behind it. Clearly, using TLDs to organize websites by subject hasn't worked out the way it was intended to.
I think that search engines fill the roles that domain names wont or can't. All sites on the internet as we know it will always need a fixed canonical name, but a intuitive hierarchical structure isn't really necessary.
DNS, the distributed database making the domain names possible, is remarkably successful considering that it was designed and implemented around the mid 80's before anyone could know how the internet would grow or could really test whether the design would scale well enough. Its major design flaw is the lack of security (preventing phishing for example). And it's somewhat vulnerable to really bad business ideas, such as when Verisign (the registrar for .com and others) decided to map all non-existing domains to their own servers in order to try to make some extra money (and in the process breaking the standard as well as a lot of things). So the current system isn't perfect, but it mostly works.
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| werdnaforever | Date: Tuesday, 27.08.2013, 06:04 | Message # 1612 |
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| Quote (midtskogen) I think that search engines fill the roles that domain names wont or can't. All sites on the internet as we know it will always need a fixed canonical name, but a intuitive hierarchical structure isn't really necessary.
DNS, the distributed database making the domain names possible, is remarkably successful considering that it was designed and implemented around the mid 80's before anyone could know how the internet would grow or could really test whether the design would scale well enough. Its major design flaw is the lack of security (preventing phishing for example). And it's somewhat vulnerable to really bad business ideas, such as when Verisign (the registrar for .com and others) decided to map all non-existing domains to their own servers in order to try to make some extra money (and in the process breaking the standard as well as a lot of things). So the current system isn't perfect, but it mostly works.
Granted, that's all true... but hypothetically speaking, if we created a new network, not connected to the current internet- then what would a new hierarchy be?
In fact, let's imagine we found a new Earth like planet and magically created a new civilization there, and all that's left to do is to set up and program the computers and the digital networks. If it makes it any easier, imagine it's a procedural planet in SE. By no means am I hoping for procedural internet systems on procedural planets with life; I don't want my computer to melt into a puddle of plastic and metal as a result since it costs money to replace and clean up.
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| midtskogen | Date: Tuesday, 27.08.2013, 07:44 | Message # 1613 |
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| Quote (Aerospacefag) 130-page ... [c]ontract
Who reads a 130 page contract?
I set up a broker account in the US a few years ago. I like to have a look at papers that I agree to, so I downloaded the full agreement and sent it to the printer without looking more into it. When I checked the printer later I found a stack of paper that was nearly 10 cm tall. "They got to be kidding" I thought, but apparently they weren't. I don't remember the number of pages exactly, but it was somewhere between 500 and 1000.
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| werdnaforever | Date: Tuesday, 27.08.2013, 18:17 | Message # 1614 |
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| Quote (midtskogen) I set up a broker account in the US a few years ago. I like to have a look at papers that I agree to, so I downloaded the full agreement and sent it to the printer without looking more into it. When I checked the printer later I found a stack of paper that was nearly 10 cm tall. "They got to be kidding" I thought, but apparently they weren't. I don't remember the number of pages exactly, but it was somewhere between 500 and 1000.
I imagine the lawyers who write these contracts would have been novelists if they hadn't gone to law school. This reminds me of those hundred page phone bills people received when the first iPhone came out.
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| Aerospacefag | Date: Tuesday, 27.08.2013, 19:52 | Message # 1615 |
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| Quote (midtskogen) Who reads a 130 page contract?
I told you, it's completely different from today's perspective.
Text of the contact itself is roughly 3 pages in the beginning, everything else is a large catalog of aforementioned services.
Like, what could possibly mean: "Code 031. Information support of signal factographic information by sectoral standard OST 34 and technical conditions TU 34, applied in MinEnergo of USSR(subsystem NORMAT). Subscription, 35 roubles/month." Apparently, it was organized s to be capable of automatically sort information in the USSR and outside of it, with thousands of organizations, hundreds of thousands of documents in their databases.
Well, before the Internet was there, it was no less necessary to provide valuable information, with mail or courier delivery. For example, yearly subscription of "Gas Turbine World", USA, 6 per year, cost of subscription(4-50), delivery cost(1-44), cost of translation(18-00). It is not surprising how everything is arranged here(because almost nothing really changed since then), but the sheer volume of technical information without single scratch of jurisprudence.
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| midtskogen | Date: Tuesday, 27.08.2013, 21:39 | Message # 1616 |
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| When a traffic light ahead turns red, you can floor it and argue that it was green if you accelerate sufficiently. Since green has shorter wavelength than red, blueshift will turn the red light green at the right speed due to the Doppler effect. But relativistic stuff kick in here. Does anyone know how to calculate what speed will be required to turn red into green?
I suspect that the speeding ticket will be more serious than for driving at red, but let's disregard such details, as well as the g forces involved.
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| werdnaforever | Date: Tuesday, 27.08.2013, 22:09 | Message # 1617 |
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| Quote (midtskogen) . But relativistic stuff kick in here
If this becomes the case then the car will collide with the atmosphere, exploding into a gigantic ball of superheated plasma completely destroying you, the car, the intersection, the traffic light, the ticket, the city you're in, and a large part of the surrounding geographical region. Oh, and you'll have to pay a fine for all that.
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| Disasterpiece | Date: Wednesday, 28.08.2013, 03:32 | Message # 1618 |
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| Quote (werdnaforever) If this becomes the case then the car will collide with the atmosphere, exploding into a gigantic ball of superheated plasma completely destroying you, the car, the intersection, the traffic light, the ticket, the city you're in, and a large part of the surrounding geographical region. Oh, and you'll have to pay a fine for all that.
True dat.
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| werdnaforever | Date: Wednesday, 28.08.2013, 19:43 | Message # 1619 |
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| Quote (Disasterpiece) True dat.
Also this
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| Salvo | Date: Wednesday, 28.08.2013, 21:48 | Message # 1620 |
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| Boa boa teng teng!
Also Doc, when you became a pirate?
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