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| shujaswati | Date: Tuesday, 18.03.2014, 16:50 | Message # 1 |
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Group: Newbies
Pakistan
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| Its my intro post too, very first post on this awesome forum. I first wanna say thanks to SE engine team that help thousands of people who can't afford telescope and $$$ gadgets and loved space, chance to view more in detail :). Thanks again.
I used SE for the first time and was quite impressed. I lately found some stunning graphics of the surface details of different planets and even if you looking at a planet from a distance, it was magnificent. While If I turn on the LOD2 from -2 and start the game, it simply hangs.
If I turn on LOD2 while playing it results in nothing. I even try modifying the shadder main.cfg file but that results in nothing too. I will really appreciate if someone guide me whats causing the issue. Game is running smoothly at -2 LOD but at -1 and up it crashes.
Specs : Core i5 @ 3.6Ghz
4gb
Ati 7850 1gb (256bits) latest driversAdded (18.03.2014, 18:43)
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I forgot to mention that its 0.9.7.1 version. Added (18.03.2014, 19:50)
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anyone  ?
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| SolarLiner | Date: Tuesday, 18.03.2014, 18:26 | Message # 2 |
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Group: Users
France
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| Frankly, the GPU seems perfectly good for Space Engine. I have the equivalent (or just a bit less, I have a GTX660), and everything is fine with all the LODs.
Try to delete the cache folder from the Space Engine folder and run Space Engine again. Maybe that will help the crash at LOD -1 and more.
custom landing page to share: http://bit.ly/spaceengine
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| shujaswati | Date: Tuesday, 18.03.2014, 20:23 | Message # 3 |
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Group: Newbies
Pakistan
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| i have re-installed the game, and now its not even starting :/
whenever I click on start(
here's the log content
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Ok i jsut restarted my system and it worked but not on full screen andwiht LOD -2. In game I switch everything to max and things started to look great. I visited moon with great detail then I went "surfing". When i visited the moon again and other planets they were again "low graphic" texture :/
whts going on
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| SolarLiner | Date: Tuesday, 18.03.2014, 20:35 | Message # 4 |
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| You have to let the computer load the textures first, when you go away the textures unloads to have more memory for others textures to be loaded.
So when you go on an interstellar trip and come back "home", you'll see the planets look blurry, but that's just temporary. Wait until the textures are fully loaded and anjoy the view 
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 03:27 | Message # 5 |
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| You shouldn't use LOD 2. It takes up far more memory than any card can use (unless you have some 3GB+ behemoth) and takes a long time to generate. Use it only for setting up screenshots. Use LOD 0 or less for most of your flying around.
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| DoctorOfSpace | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 04:13 | Message # 6 |
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| Quote HarbingerDawn (  ) unless you have some 3GB+ behemoth
Still wouldn't recommend it unless you have a high quality SSD and a really insane processor because even with a 4GB card its jittery when loading.
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| anonymousgamer | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 04:22 | Message # 7 |
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| Quote HarbingerDawn ( ) unless you have some 3GB+ behemoth
Quote DoctorOfSpace ( ) Still wouldn't recommend it unless you have a high quality SSD and a really insane processor because even with a 4GB card its jittery when loading.
Odd, I just tried it and it hardly hitched or stuttered. I still wouldn't recommend it, though, because it loads the landscape much slower.
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| shujaswati | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 06:35 | Message # 8 |
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| hmm I'm not facing any kind of lag but will give it a try on LOD0 and when doing screen shots will switch to LOD2
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 07:25 | Message # 9 |
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| Quote DoctorOfSpace ( ) high quality SSD
This should make no difference for landscape generation, as it is generated directly on the GPU and stored in memory. It doesn't use the disk.
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| shujaswati | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 08:23 | Message # 10 |
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| ok I give it a try, I used LOD0 or -2 to surf around but landing on any planet and tuning to LOD2 results in nothing. Sometime it loads(within 5sec) something it doesn't even for 2 minutes. And the game is only running in window mode, switching to full screen causes a crash.
Whats happening with me
I'm a die-hard fan for astrology and happening this with me is unjustified.Added (19.03.2014, 11:23)
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Ok its giving me this error : "ERROR: TClusterModelCache.CreateModel(): Can't free the memory - all models are used in the current frame'"
whats causing it?
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 09:20 | Message # 11 |
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| It's just a memory error; SE still doesn't have optimized memory usage and has lots of inefficiencies in the engine, so it will have some problems like that, especially when you use it for a long time. If you have problems after running it for a while, just restart the program and it should be ok.
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| SolarLiner | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 13:24 | Message # 12 |
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| Quote HarbingerDawn ( ) You shouldn't use LOD 2. It takes up far more memory than any card can use (unless you have some 3GB+ behemoth) and takes a long time to generate. Use it only for setting up screenshots. Use LOD 0 or less for most of your flying around.
Well, I am on LOD2 for flying around and the landscapes takes about 5-10 seconds to generate. And doesn't takes so much RAM (I don't know about VRAM tho)
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| RockoRocks | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 17:01 | Message # 13 |
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| Quote shujaswati ( ) astrology
wat
I will be inactive on this forum for the time being. Might come back eventually
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| DoctorOfSpace | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 18:07 | Message # 14 |
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| Quote anonymousgamer ( ) it hardly hitched or stuttered
Does this mean it still stuttered a bit? Because if it did then that is what I am talking about. Your processor is also quite a bit faster than the one I have which could help with such things.
Quote RockoRocks ( ) wat
A common mistake and one that he will hopefully learn to correct if he spends enough time here. Unless he actually meant horoscopes....
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| shujaswati | Date: Wednesday, 19.03.2014, 19:14 | Message # 15 |
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| Quote RockoRocks ( ) wat
Sorry I meant astronomy
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