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| JCandeias | Date: Monday, 11.11.2013, 22:17 | Message # 376 |
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| Shephard moons. Booyah! 
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| Voekoevaka | Date: Monday, 11.11.2013, 22:20 | Message # 377 |
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| Moonlets + Shepherd moons ! Amazing !
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| anonymousgamer | Date: Monday, 11.11.2013, 22:31 | Message # 378 |
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| Did someone call for 
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| RockoRocks | Date: Monday, 11.11.2013, 22:37 | Message # 379 |
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| Quote SpaceEngineer (  )
Small but important bugfix: cyclones on gas giants are returned!
wait where they ever even away?
Oh wait, apparently they were, but I never noticed due to hanging out around catalog gas giants so much which can have cyclones in the current version
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| JCandeias | Date: Monday, 11.11.2013, 22:40 | Message # 380 |
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| Quote HarbingerDawn ( ) Models which yielded non-Solar type systems were done decades before the first exoplanets were discovered. Carl Sagan briefly mentions them in Cosmos, which aired in 1980.
Yeah, but they were mostly disregarded for not being "realistic".
Look: I don't have the time to discuss this any further, so I'm not going to. I'll only add that I think 4 data points are waaaay too few to get to any sort of conclusions, especially if the conclusions only vaguely apply to two of them, and that astronomy has been plagued for centuries with notions about the deterministic and neat organization of astronomical systems, which is religious in its origin (God doesn't play with dice, the "music of the spheres" and so forth) but has contaminated the thought processes of many non-religious people as well. Only slowly and reluctantly has it come to the conclusion that whatever order there is, it emerges from chaotic processes and is not an intrinsic property of the systems themselves. Once, it was thought that planetary systems should follow "laws" like the one Johann Bode came up with. Now we know that they don't. So yes, my opinion is that some moon systems should be like this - we have the proof of that around Jupiter - but some should be quite different - and we have the proof of that around Neptune - for whatever reasons having to do with the specific history and starting point of each particular system. And that's all, really. I'm not opposed to some moon systems being like this; I'm opposed to them being all like this.
Not that my opinions matter much or at all. In the end, this is SpaceEngineer's playground, and we'll do whatever he decides to do.
And besides, I can always create my own systems with my own rules, which I do, so everything is just fine.
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| Joey_Penguin | Date: Tuesday, 12.11.2013, 00:13 | Message # 381 |
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| If this new moonlet/ring/asteroid field generation system was scaled up, could we get protoplanetary disks? 
Or would our computers spontaneously combust?
Also, you might want to update that changelog on page one, SpaceEngineer.
Careful. The PLATT Collective has spurs.
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| SpaceEngineer | Date: Tuesday, 12.11.2013, 09:06 | Message # 382 |
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| Quote JCandeias ( ) So yes, my opinion is that some moon systems should be like this - we have the proof of that around Jupiter - but some should be quite different - and we have the proof of that around Neptune - for whatever reasons having to do with the specific history and starting point of each particular system. And that's all, really. I'm not opposed to some moon systems being like this; I'm opposed to them being all like this.
Why do you think that all systems will be "like this"? Procedural generator just have a bunch of rules, they may execute or may not. This depends on distance to star and other planets, mass of a planet, inclination, etc etc. So there may be "right" Jupiter-like systems, may be system completely built with asteroidal satellites, bay be one super-earth satellite on retrograde orbit, and even binary gas giant.
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| JCandeias | Date: Tuesday, 12.11.2013, 19:34 | Message # 383 |
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| Quote SpaceEngineer ( ) Why do you think that all systems will be "like this"?
Well, "all" is an exhaggeration on my part.
You did write that the chances of other arrangements were small, though, and that you wanted to model SE's moon systems after what we have in the Solar System, and this spooked me a bit. I thought you were getting ready to limit SE's variety in outcomes for future versions. If you aren't, all is just fine under all the suns of the universe.
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| SpaceEngineer | Date: Wednesday, 13.11.2013, 00:30 | Message # 384 |
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| Quote JCandeias ( ) ready to limit SE's variety
New system generates much more various systems than old one.
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| Harbinger_of_Life | Date: Wednesday, 13.11.2013, 05:40 | Message # 385 |
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| Protoplanetary disks would make my life complete. Do you reckon they are a plausible concept, mighty SpaceEngineer?
EDIT: Do you think it could it be a similar coding process to a planet's rings?
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| DeathStar | Date: Wednesday, 13.11.2013, 08:23 | Message # 386 |
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| Harbinger_of_Life, of course they are planned. Now, I am not much of a programmer and dont know SE code, but I assume it would be similar. Only problem is, you would have to simulate almost 1000 times more asteroids than around planets, so it would cause FPS issues.
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| RockoRocks | Date: Wednesday, 13.11.2013, 22:51 | Message # 387 |
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| That's odd, I found a procedural planet with a cyclone on it in the current version:
RS 8405-1353-7-1351679-149 A3
And another one here:
In fact, it has 3 cyclones, a really cool planet
HIP 10714 4
HIP 46847 2
RS 8404-1353-9-128445989-40 6
For some reason I keep finding gas giants with cyclones, often with HIP designations, something I never (or rarely) did in the past. Is this some live bug fix? Is this temporarily? I've found many more maybe too much to post. Weird.Added (14.11.2013, 01:51)
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Quote SpaceEngineer ( ) New system generates much more various systems than old one.
Yes!!!
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| Destructor1701 | Date: Thursday, 14.11.2013, 06:32 | Message # 388 |
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| I wonder if, rather than using the ring-system code, something developed from scaled-down galaxy code, but with asteroids and planetoids peppered around inside, would work better.
That sentence was an Oort cloud of commas. Sorry.
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| JCandeias | Date: Thursday, 14.11.2013, 15:08 | Message # 389 |
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| Quote Destructor1701 ( ) That sentence was an Oort cloud of commas. Sorry.
Ha! I love this sentence! 
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| Salvo | Date: Thursday, 14.11.2013, 16:50 | Message # 390 |
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| Quote Destructor1701 ( ) I wonder if, rather than using the ring-system code, something developed from scaled-down galaxy code, but with asteroids and planetoids peppered around inside, would work better.
(If I understood you) That would be super-hard, stars on the galaxy don't move, while rings should move, would be
uselessly gpu-expansive, since rings are just some meters thin, and creating shadows would be even harder 
The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition.
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