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| JackDole | Date: Wednesday, 17.08.2016, 20:52 | Message # 751 |
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| Quote steeljaw354 (  ) What makes you think that aliens would use radio? They may use something completely different that we are missing in our searches for life. Maybe they evolved past a physical state? And are invisible to us with no proof of their existence? Nothing makes me think that. But We know of no hypercom, so we can not look for hypercom signals. We have to look for normal radio signals.
But who knows? When near the star a ship in the warp goes, or comes out of warp, perhaps we could receive a signal thereof. For example, gravitational waves.
Although our scientists would surely find a natural explanation for such signals.
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Wednesday, 17.08.2016, 21:28 | Message # 752 |
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| Maybe the reason nobody has responded is because they don't communicate on the frequency we use? Or they don't know of it for some reason.
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| Watsisname | Date: Thursday, 18.08.2016, 03:13 | Message # 753 |
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| Quote JackDole (  ) Nothing makes me think that. But We know of no hypercom, so we can not look for hypercom signals. We have to look for normal radio signals.
But who knows? When near the star a ship in the warp goes, or comes out of warp, perhaps we could receive a signal thereof. For example, gravitational waves.
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| midtskogen | Date: Thursday, 18.08.2016, 05:13 | Message # 754 |
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| Quote steeljaw354 (  ) Maybe the reason nobody has responded is because they don't communicate on the frequency we use? Or they don't know of it for some reason. Our signals are weak. We would hardly be able to detect such signals light years away ourselves. And we're switching to digital transmission aiming to remove the redundancies, which means that the signals will be indistinguishable from noise. Not to mention fiber.
And many would argue that it would be wise to keep radio silence.
NIL DIFFICILE VOLENTI
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| Alek | Date: Thursday, 18.08.2016, 05:37 | Message # 755 |
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| Quote Watsisname (  ) I think it is not possible. There are just too many ways to produce CCN, and they have such low terminal velocities that the atmosphere would have to be absolutely free of wind and convection for them to fall out. To give an idea, the typical terminal velocity of a cloud droplet is on the order of centimeters per second, which is easily overcome by thermals.
For a cloud condensation nucleus, it's on the order of micrometers per second, or centimeters per day. So if there's any mechanism to generate them, they'll go everywhere. Even in the extremely clear air of the Antarctic, there's enough of them around to generate clouds.
I guess the one sure-fire way to remove a planet of its CCN would be to freeze or blow off its atmosphere entirely.
Hm...guess that wasn't so realistic, then...What about the atmosphere being wiped of water vapor instead, would enough to make clouds be able to get into the atmosphere before the lakes and seas become groundwater, even if the larger bodies of water weren't all that large?
Quote midtskogen (  ) many would argue that it would be wise to keep radio silence.
Surely a more advanced civilization would be able to have stronger radio signals, maybe this is why we don't hear anything, because they keep quiet to their planet purposely?
Also, Would it be possible to use Gamma Rays to commuinicate somehow? They're very energetic, but are more precise and could maybe be used to have more pinpoint communications if the over-energeticity issue could be solved, plus they would easily be distinguishable from background noise since not very much makes strong gamma ray output...That also raises the question, could GRBs be alien signals that are pointed directly at us, but are so quick in the short GRBs that they look more like a large supernova, and the long ones being a very long transmission but each "on/off cycle" (aka binary) being so subtle due to our lacking f precision, that it doesn't look like an intelligent signal?
Living among the stars, I find my way. I grow in strength through knowledge of the space I occupy, until I become the ruler of my own interstellar empire of sorts. Though The world was made for the day, I was made for the night, and thus, the universe itself is within my destiny.
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| PlutonianEmpire | Date: Thursday, 18.08.2016, 05:48 | Message # 756 |
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| Quote Watsisname (  ) When I conquer the universe over the next 52,000 years ( ), something like this will be entirely plausible.
Specs: Dell Inspiron 5547 (Laptop); 8 gigabytes of RAM; Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.4GHz; Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit; Graphics: Intel® HD Graphics 4400 (That's all there is :( )
Edited by PlutonianEmpire - Thursday, 18.08.2016, 05:51 |
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| Tac1017 | Date: Thursday, 18.08.2016, 21:19 | Message # 757 |
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| what is the minimum and maximum amount of oxygen a planet needs to be breathable, nd the max amount of carbon dioxide? the new atmosphere feature is making my terra hunting harder.
The Terra Hunter of the Milky Way!
(By the way, I was born in 2001, NOT 1972 XD)
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| Banana | Date: Thursday, 18.08.2016, 22:19 | Message # 758 |
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| For humans and with air pressure similar to Earth, I believe oxygen levels can range from seventeen percent to around forty percent without too many side effects. Carbon dioxide should be under two percent.
In real life, of course. I am not sure what the requirements are in SE.
Hello.
Edited by Banana - Thursday, 18.08.2016, 22:21 |
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| Watsisname | Date: Friday, 19.08.2016, 00:20 | Message # 759 |
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| 17% O2 is like being at 2000m altitude. Humans can survive permanently up to about 5000 or 6000 meters, which is a pressure of about 55-50% of sea level, or 11% O2 concentration at sea level pressure. You would feel effects if subjected to that immediately (even fatal), but you can acclimate to it.
Maximum CO2 of a few percent is good. 5% is where it is considered toxic, but even at 1% you feel effects -- basically increased breathing rate and some tiredness. Maximum O2 is harder, there's actually no hard established limit to my knowledge. We can breathe 100% O2 for a little while, but it does have toxicity in the long term. For permanence, probably 30-40% is safe I would guess.
Quote Alek (  ) What about the atmosphere being wiped of water vapor instead, would enough to make clouds be able to get into the atmosphere before the lakes and seas become groundwater, even if the larger bodies of water weren't all that large?
For given values of 'not that large', yes, easily. The amount of water stored in the atmosphere is surprisingly small. If you precipitated it all out of Earth's atmosphere, it'd be only a few centimeters deep!
So, if a few cm of seas and lakes (divided by what fraction of the surface area seas and lakes cover) is able to evaporate (and it evaporates very quickly, if there is no water in the air) before all going underground (percolation into the subsurface is generally slow), you will restore the water vapor in the air.
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| Tac1017 | Date: Friday, 19.08.2016, 00:24 | Message # 760 |
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| Quote Watsisname (  ) 17% O2 is like being at 2000m altitude. Humans can survive permanently up to about 5000 or 6000 meters, which is a pressure of about 55-50% of sea level, or 11% O2 concentration at sea level pressure. You would feel effects if subjected to that immediately (even fatal), but you can acclimate to it.
Maximum CO2 of a few percent is good. 5% is where it is considered toxic, but even at 1% you feel effects -- basically increased breathing rate and some tiredness. Maximum O2 is harder, there's actually no hard established limit to my knowledge. We can breathe 100% O2 for a little while, but it does have toxicity in the long term. For permanence, probably 30-40% is safe I would guess.
So now I need to say this is my new earth, but now we need breathing masks because the universe had to make us oddballs .
The Terra Hunter of the Milky Way!
(By the way, I was born in 2001, NOT 1972 XD)
Edited by Tac1017 - Friday, 19.08.2016, 00:26 |
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| Watsisname | Date: Friday, 19.08.2016, 01:56 | Message # 761 |
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| Hahaha. Well, we are the product of life evolving on this planet -- naturally we are suited to this kind of atmosphere, and not most other atmospheres that you might find out there.
Keep looking! I'm sure there's another planet with breathable atmosphere somewhere.
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| Tac1017 | Date: Friday, 19.08.2016, 02:05 | Message # 762 |
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| it's kind-of hard, when i search within a 5,000 ly radius of earth. hey. I guess I found two planets and a moon. one is oxygen ladent (main gas), two others are more carbon ladent. the oxygen one is pretty much a proto-life earth with unicelluar marine life, and is only 441,543,000 years old. the other two are more earth like in age. The moon has an extremely long day, longer than it's year, 25 day year to a 128 day rotation. the solar year on the moon is roughly 48 years. the carbon ladent planet has red oceans, so I presume more mineral water to carbonate and overprice XD.
The Terra Hunter of the Milky Way!
(By the way, I was born in 2001, NOT 1972 XD)
Edited by Tac1017 - Friday, 19.08.2016, 02:19 |
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| midtskogen | Date: Friday, 19.08.2016, 07:16 | Message # 763 |
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| 30-40% O2 is certainly something life can adapt to, and have.
Quote Wikipedia The maximum of 35% was reached towards the end of the Carboniferous period (about 300 million years ago), a peak which may have contributed to the large size of insects and amphibians at that time.
NIL DIFFICILE VOLENTI
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| spacer | Date: Friday, 19.08.2016, 07:34 | Message # 764 |
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| also the highest carbon dioxide in earth history was 7,000 ppm in the Cambrian period 500million years ago. its x17 from what we have today
"we began as wanderers, and we are wanderers still" -carl sagan
-space engine photographer
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| Banana | Date: Friday, 19.08.2016, 22:49 | Message # 765 |
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| Oxygen above 30-40% would not be very safe for humans. While insects may handle that change well, humans may not. Oxygen can easily become toxic, especially at low air pressure.
Hello.
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