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| Watsisname | Date: Tuesday, 15.12.2015, 22:53 | Message # 91 |
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| Quote steeljaw354 (  ) Any proof that it is round? [Citation needed]
There is this thing known as "physics".
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1004/1004.1091.pdf
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Tuesday, 15.12.2015, 22:55 | Message # 92 |
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| I'm not stupid. Just how large is the sednoid?
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| Watsisname | Date: Tuesday, 15.12.2015, 23:10 | Message # 93 |
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| Larger than the potato radius for icy bodies, by about 50%.
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Tuesday, 15.12.2015, 23:38 | Message # 94 |
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| Seems sensible but it's probably only 300KM accross, while sedna could be 1000KM
I found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....its.png
Most are probably small rocks, Means Something pushed them like something Big like earth sized maybe.
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| Watsisname | Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 00:33 | Message # 95 |
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| 600km across. Like Harbinger said, it is about half the size of Sedna.
This is also a completely different situation than the object recently discovered by ALMA. Here, we have characterized its orbit, so we have good constraints on its distance and size.
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 01:46 | Message # 96 |
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| Is it a star or planet? Alpha Centauri D? What are your thoughts on it?
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| Watsisname | Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 03:35 | Message # 97 |
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| If it were a star then it would radiate strongly in the infrared, but we don't seem to see that. And a planet at 4LY wouldn't be visible from these observations at all. So we think it is not a part of the Alpha Centauri system. It is likely within our own solar system. How big it is will depend on how far out it is (the farther, the larger, for a given apparent magnitude). It could be smaller than Pluto, or it could be as large as a super-Earth.
We'll need to make more observations of it over a longer period of time to determine its orbit and narrow down on the possibilities.
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 13:41 | Message # 98 |
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| If it was a super earth, how would we classify it? Would it be a planet? I think so
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| Watsisname | Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 23:43 | Message # 99 |
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| It would probably (almost certainly) fail the planetary discriminant criterion, because we expect that there are a lot of similarly sized bodies out there. It is not very unique and the dynamics of the trans-Neptunian objects are not governed by it.
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 23:47 | Message # 100 |
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| But if it is 10X the distance away from the sun than pluto is, we will probably find nothing near super earth sized other than itself. If there were 5 or 6 similar sized objects in similar orbits, wouldn't we know the effect?
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| Watsisname | Date: Sunday, 20.12.2015, 00:00 | Message # 101 |
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| That's true, they are difficult to find and it will take some time to do so. But we do expect them to be there, both from models of solar system evolution, and from what we have observed so far. For example, it was at first a big surprise that we found Sedna so close to its perihelion distance, because it spends most of its time at much greater distances from the Sun. This implies there are many more Sedna-like objects with similar orbits, rather than just Sedna alone and we only got lucky.
As for their effects, the volume of space at 10X Pluto's distance is pretty enormous. I don't think a few super-Earth's would significantly perturb planetary orbits, or even each other.
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Sunday, 20.12.2015, 01:34 | Message # 102 |
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| Only more mysteries are made with each discovery.
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| Terran | Date: Monday, 06.06.2016, 02:12 | Message # 103 |
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| I know this is old but it came up in another thread, honestly my definition of planet hood is an object large enough to make itself round, while small enough for deuterium fusion not to occur... Nothing else. However all Solar planets have to orbit the sun, If we have 20 planets then yay! I don't have a problem with that. But my definition would allow some rouge planets to be classified under planet, and even some moons. Solar Planets would be the only category of planet with an orbital definition. Under this the moon would be a planet (such a contradiction) because the sun pulls more on the moon than Earth does. However it will still be a satellite of Earth... They just need to dump the name planet entirely and create something new...
Forgot this part of the definition: Cannot have ever been a star or other object that would fall under a stellar classification, because black holes would have fallen into this definition.
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| Watsisname | Date: Monday, 06.06.2016, 03:20 | Message # 104 |
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| Quote Terran ( ) Under this the moon would be a planet (such a contradiction) because the sun pulls more on the moon than Earth does.
I'm not sure about this. It separates moons from planets only by the distance at which they orbit, and says nothing about the object's mass or any of its other physical or dynamical properties. Why should our Moon be a planet if it orbits at 261,000km and a moon if it orbits at 259,000km?
What if the object is in a circumbinary orbit? Do you take the vector sum of the forces from both stars?
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| steeljaw354 | Date: Monday, 06.06.2016, 03:20 | Message # 105 |
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| Then everything else we can't see like Uranus,Neptune,Pluto, Eris will be dwarf planets and Ceres would be a planet and so would all other asteroids. Solar system has 10 planets we only add Eris. Not that bad? Everything else in the kuiper belt is to small to be a planet and we can discuss this in the planethood thread.
Also pluto orbiter is planned called hyper pluto orbiter http://spacenews.com/hypothe....o-pluto
Edited by steeljaw354 - Saturday, 04.06.2016, 18:42 |
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