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| apenpaap | Date: Wednesday, 18.07.2012, 02:27 | Message # 106 |
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| 'Scorched' is the new word for the temperature class that was named 'hot' in 0.95. The new hot is the old warm, and the new warm is the old calid. Since this system makes warm placed in a lot more intuitive temperature range than it used to be, I don;'t see reason why it should change in the next patch either.
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| DoctorOfSpace | Date: Wednesday, 18.07.2012, 05:00 | Message # 107 |
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| Scorched is one of those words where when you say it enough it starts to sound really weird. Still its more fitting than just "hot".
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| Talisman | Date: Wednesday, 18.07.2012, 07:16 | Message # 108 |
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| I love the new scorched planets, but scorched is just a weird word to see. It's a shame that there are almost no other good words to adequately describe such scorching planets. 
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| neutronium76 | Date: Wednesday, 18.07.2012, 08:35 | Message # 109 |
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| I really like the new term ''scorched''! However another term could be ''deep fried'' or ''well cooked'' 
Seriously now, what about ''burned'' ?
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Wednesday, 18.07.2012, 10:29 | Message # 110 |
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| Okay everyone! I know you all have opinions about the temperature class systems, and you are not the first. The reason it is a bit awkward is because English really only has two words for describing temperature gradations in each direction (cool/cold, warm/hot). SpaceEngineer wanted a scale with three temperature classes on each side of temperate - a good idea. This was initially easy to implement for him because Russian has three words for describing temperature gradations each way. But translating them into English proved challenging. So he initially chose the word "Calid" to be the first point in the higher end of the scale. The problem with that is that calid is a word that is practically non-existent in English, no one knows or uses it, and it just made things confusing. So we set about trying to come up with a new system. It took time, effort, and a lot of discussion. Ultimately, the current one seemed to work best.
As always, input on this subject is most welcome. But I would ask you to please read the discussions that led up to this system before continuing, so you will have the necessary background (starting here): http://en.spaceengine.org/forum/21-33-4555-16-1334782276
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| n3xt | Date: Saturday, 21.07.2012, 20:20 | Message # 111 |
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| Hellooow fellooow space junkies 
I love the different types of planets and I'm veeery satisfied with the current ones. However suggestions are always welcome
Let me start a bit with the current ones and my suggestions for more:
Current:
Terra
Desert
Oceania
Gas giant
Ice giant
Ice world
Titan
Selena
My suggestions:
Vulcan (it might sound Star Trekkish, however these would be a type of hot global lava-flowing planets with very thin atmospheres and etc...)
Gas dwarf (pretty much the same as gas giants but less massive and smaller obviously)
Ice dwarf (would be the counterpart of ice giants)
''Snow world'' (most likely according to their climates as Temperate, Cool and Cold snow worlds)
Carbon planet (very interesting one wich seems to be lying closer to the galactic center and are rich in well... alooot of stuff, more or less like fuels and diamonds and others I don't fully know however but they are proposed, and typically would have thick hazy multi-colorful atmospheres in yellowish greenish brownish)
That was it for the moment, I'll try to gather more information about these awesome types of planets.
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| planethunter13 | Date: Thursday, 02.08.2012, 17:53 | Message # 112 |
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| will there be lava worlds or volcanic worlds?
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| Enki | Date: Saturday, 04.08.2012, 03:22 | Message # 113 |
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| Quote (SpaceEngineer) how would we rename "very warm"
Molten.
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Saturday, 04.08.2012, 04:16 | Message # 114 |
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Quote (HarbingerDawn) Irradiated/Molten/Igneous would not work because they imply properties of the physical environment aside from temperature
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| smjjames | Date: Monday, 01.10.2012, 18:35 | Message # 115 |
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| Also, calid looks like a strange mispelling of cold, just saying, even if it is a real word.
I know you will eventually be improving the procedural generation for more variety, but the moons could definetly use more variation in the appearance.
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| RobertJ | Date: Sunday, 11.11.2012, 10:53 | Message # 116 |
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| Quote (HarbingerDawn) Actually, SpaceEngine does render life with different colors besides green, including red, depending on the conditions of the planet.
Research suggest that plants on exoplanets would colored by the amount of light (energy) and the wavelengths wich are most abundant. Here on earth most plants use the blue and red wavelenght photons and reflect the green ones wich makes plants look green to us. The blue ones have the most energy and the red ones not so much but there are lots of those photons.
But plants could also be blue, brown and red or even black when light conditions are poor with most of it in the red and infrared range. The research also suggests that plants could even be like a mirror reflecting most of the light on planets orbiting brighter stars.
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| smjjames | Date: Sunday, 11.11.2012, 19:54 | Message # 117 |
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| Quote (RobertJ) Quote (HarbingerDawn)
Actually, SpaceEngine does render life with different colors besides green, including red, depending on the conditions of the planet.
Research suggest that plants on exoplanets would colored by the amount of light (energy) and the wavelengths wich are most abundant. Here on earth most plants use the blue and red wavelenght photons and reflect the green ones wich makes plants look green to us. The blue ones have the most energy and the red ones not so much but there are lots of those photons.
But plants could also be blue, brown and red or even black when light conditions are poor with most of it in the red and infrared range. The research also suggests that plants could even be like a mirror reflecting most of the light on planets orbiting brighter stars.
Also, they could be black as well around binary and other multiple star systems (depending on the conditions).
Quote (HarbingerDawn) Quote (Voekoevaka)
Note that the colour of an ocean made of translucent liquid is not necessarily blue : it just reflects the colour of the atmosphere
Not necessarily true. Water does preferentially scatter blue light more than red, just like our atmosphere does, so even if it were reflecting a neutral color it would still have a blue color, it would just be less noticeable.
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every planet with life is represented by a Terra with green forests
Actually, SpaceEngine does render life with different colors besides green, including red, depending on the conditions of the planet.
You know, I'm wondering what would color a planets oceans green in the absence of life? Iron saturated water would be reddish (I believe), but what would color oceans green (aside from being filled with life), copper?
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| midtskogen | Date: Thursday, 07.02.2013, 22:54 | Message # 118 |
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Quote (HarbingerDawn) The definition by which they were classed in SE. The class was made with the intent that the liquid would specifically be water. Unless I'm just completely insanely wrong, in which case I welcome SpaceEngineer to correct me.
I just found it very counter intuitive that the name terra should imply water. Just like the related English words dry and thirst don't exactly imply any abundance of water. It might not be a problem unless you've studied linguistics, though.
Of course, if terra is to mean Earth like (which I suppose is the intention), water makes sense. So it's kind of ambiguous, then. That can be avoided by using the Tellus name for earth-like. Tellurian would be the adjective.
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| HarbingerDawn | Date: Thursday, 07.02.2013, 23:25 | Message # 119 |
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| Quote (midtskogen) I just found it very counter intuitive that the name terra should imply water
The word itself doesn't imply water specifically, terra in this case just refers to an Earth-type world.
Quote (midtskogen) It might not be a problem unless you've studied linguistics, though.
Most likely.
Quote (midtskogen) That can be avoided by using the Tellus name for earth-like. Tellurian would be the adjective.
That would actually be more confusing since so few people have heard of it. Terra is very well known, and as far as I know no one has been confused about its intended meaning except for you. On an unrelated and less important note, I personally am not a big fan of Tellus/Tellurian. Terra/Terran has always held more appeal to me, I guess I have popular sci-fi to thank for that.
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| midtskogen | Date: Friday, 08.02.2013, 06:46 | Message # 120 |
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| Quote (HarbingerDawn) That would actually be more confusing since so few people have heard of it. Terra is very well known, and as far as I know no one has been confused about its intended meaning except for you. On an unrelated and less important note, I personally am not a big fan of Tellus/Tellurian. Terra/Terran has always held more appeal to me, I guess I have popular sci-fi to thank for that.
I prefer terra as well. For me Tellus is Earth only. Terra is more generic simply meaning dry land.
So I think terra is fine, but there is nothing in the name that implies that it can only be used for planets with oceans of water. What if terra is instead used for any rocky planet with at least some dry land. That is, also include what's called deserts today. Then, planets with significant water oceans could be called aquatic terras. That would imply temperate or warm (so perhaps there could be aquatic terras (like Earth) and warm aquatic terras, but there is a limit for how warm it can be and still have liquid water). Colder such terras where the water is mostly ice covered, could be glacial terras. I don't think that should apply to Mars, since there is neither pure ice exposed and there are no oceans beneath the ice.
This would open up for classes for planets with oceans other than water. If they have hydrocarbon seas like Titan, they could be called hydrocarbon terras.
Speaking of Titan. I find it confusing how Space Engine uses the word. To me titans are pretty synonymous with giants. When used for planets it doesn't make me think of Saturn's titan at all.
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